Amid stacks of cash and liquor bottles, Tony Montana and JoaquΓn βEl Chapoβ GuzmΓ‘n sit together inside a painting. One fictional and the other real, the drug lords look nonchalant.
βThatβs us!β says filmmaker RaΓΊl βRJβ Sanchez with joyful mischief when I point out the centerpiece on the main wall of their office in downtown L.A. Sanchezβs partner in artistic crime, Pasqual GutiΓ©rrez, tells me they got the frame nearby at Santee Alley.
Located on a street corner in the Fashion District, their space, which doubles as a man cave, reflects their creative influences, their ties to L.A. and their offbeat sense of humor. Before they moved in 2021, the place was a shoe store called Latino Fashion β the storefront sign remains.
Walk in and youβll find the bottom half of a mannequin flaunting male genitalia (βThat was our stunt penis from [the short film] βShut Up and Fish,ββ says Sanchez laughing). Thereβs also a bulky metal structure that resembles a torture device, a teal green couch (which they got for under $100), photography books and keepsakes on shelves that once displayed footwear. Itβs a mini museum to their history so far. Or, as Sanchez calls it, itβs βa living brain.β
Known artistically as Cliqua, the in-demand duo has already worked with some of the music industryβs biggest names. Their resume includes directing videos for Bad Bunny (βLa DifΓcilβ), the Weeknd (βSave Your Tearsβ), J Balvin (βReggaetonβ) and RosalΓa (βYo x Ti, Tu x Miβ).
This year, GutiΓ©rrez crossed over into feature filmmaking with his docufiction debut βSerious People,β a deeply personal βcringe comedyβ that he co-directed with longtime friend Ben Mullinkosson. Following its premiere at the Sundance Film Festival, the film had a theatrical release in November and is now available to stream on multiple VOD platforms.
On screen, GutiΓ©rrez and Sanchez play versions of themselves: music video directors in an industry that takes itself too seriously. While expecting his first child with partner Christine Yuan, also a filmmaker, GutiΓ©rrez found himself caught between his commitment to his partnership with Sanchez and his responsibility as a soon-to-be father. The GutiΓ©rrez in βSerious Peopleβ hires a doppelganger to replace him in his professional commitments.
βThere were some things coming our way where if both RaΓΊl and I werenβt available to do it, they would go away. Clients would be uninterested if it wasnβt the Cliqua brand,β GutiΓ©rrez says. βThat was deeply frustrating and haunting for me because it was like, βRaΓΊl isnβt choosing to have a baby, but I am. And this is affecting us, because he canβt do everything on his own because people arenβt letting him do it.ββ
Though both GutiΓ©rrez and Sanchez fit under the generic identity umbrella of βMexican American,β each of them knowingly embodies a distinct βflavor of Mexican.β
βI definitely identify with Chicano a lot,β says GutiΓ©rrez. βI am second-generation and growing up I knew about lowriders and East L.A. barrio sβ.β Raised between East Los Angeles and Pomona, GutiΓ©rrez believes his Latino identity is unique to L.A.
Sanchez, on the other hand, is the child of immigrants from Mexico City and Jalisco. As a first-generation kid in the South Bay city of Gardena, his worldview was shaped differently.
βWeβve always had that split. You represent more what it is to be in this country for more generations, and I feel like Iβm new. The culture I associate with more is Mexican but more rancho sβ,β Sanchez explains. A vivid memory for Sanchez is his grandfather slaughtering a pig and driving around South-Central on his pickup truck selling it. βThe Chicano heritage wasnβt a thing for me, it was more the immigrant experience,β he says.
βI grew up speaking more Spanglish,β says GutiΓ©rrez. βBut Spanish was RaΓΊlβs first language.β
Their artistic alliance is an amalgamation of what each brings to their friendship. Sanchez got GutiΓ©rrez into Los Tigres del Norte and corridos, while GutiΓ©rrez introduced him to Lil Robβs βSummer Nightsβ and the 1993 movie βBlood In Blood Out,β which GutiΓ©rrez considers a foundational cultural artifact in his life.
βBoth of us have crossed towards the otherβs side a little more,β says Sanchez. The two met through their then-girlfriends (now their wives and mothers of their respective children) almost a decade ago. At that point they each were already directing music videos.
βWe really bonded over that shared experience of, βWhatβs it like trying to navigate this industry as a Latino?ββ adds Sanchez.
For GutiΓ©rrez, one of five siblings, his interest in filmmaking is linked to one of his older brothers who had a bit of a double life. βHe was a gang member, but he was also a low-key cinephile,β he says. βHe used to work in art house theaters, and we used to just watch weird stuff for a little kid to watch. A lot of βBlood In Blood Out,β but also stuff like βAmΓ©lie.ββ
With his fatherβs support, GutiΓ©rrez attended Chapman University to study film production.
βMy pops said, βGrowing up no one ever asked me what I wanted to do. That wasnβt even an option for me,ββ GutiΓ©rrez recalls. ββAnd the fact that you got accepted to this school, weβll just find a way. Weβll take all the loans out. Go try and see how it is.β My father empowered me to follow my dreams for sure.β
Sanchez had a less linear path into filmmaking. He graduated from UC Berkeley with a degree in ancient history with the intent of going to law school. Instead, he returned to L.A. to try his hand at film, an interest that evolved from his enjoyment of video games growing up and film studies courses in college.
But how does one break into making music videos?
βIn the beginning, a lot of times youβre shooting videos for your friends,β says GutiΓ©rrez. βIf you are creative in L.A., you know other creatives and one of them is a music artist or one of them is a rapper or in a rock band. And you start that way.β
βMy sister was dating a rapper, so I was shooting his videos,β adds Sanchez.
Still, they both aspired to make feature films.
βEven when we were at the beginnings of Cliqua, the language we have always used to even talk about music videos has always been film-centric,β says Sanchez. βThose are the influences. We speak in movies.β
After meeting and hanging out for a while, GutiΓ©rrez and Sanchez were eager to work together. That opportunity came with the video for J Balvinβs βReggaeton,β which they had to sign on to do without being able to do much preparation. In the aftermath of that positive experience, they decided to create Cliqua, which originally also included music artist Milkman (MLKMN).
The name comes from the book βVarrioβ by Gusmano Cesaretti, an Italian photographer who documented East L.A. culture in the 1970s, including the Klique Car Club.
The video for J Balvin kick-started their careers. They soon found themselves a niche as reggaeton became globally popular and a new crop of artists revitalized its aesthetic. But even as they eventually crossed over to other corners of the industry and landed consistent work with the Weeknd, they were aware of the limits to their creative freedom.
βMusic videos are funny because theyβre obviously not truly our work either; weβre at the service of another artist,β explains Sanchez. βWeβre executing someone elseβs vision even if the brief is generally open. Itβs not truly us, but weβre in there.β
βMusic videos are hard, man,β adds GutiΓ©rrez. βThe difficult thing about music videos thatβs different from feature filmmaking is that itβs so fast. You get a concept, and you maybe have two days to come up with an idea and write a treatment for it. Then from there, you have a shoot date, but the shoot date can get pushed and it can get pulled depending on the artist.β
In 2023, GutiΓ©rrez and Sanchez released their first narrative short film, βShut Up and Fish,β about four βEdgarsβ (young Latino men with bowl cuts) on a boat. Their impetus was to subvert the expectations of stories involving characters from their community.
βWe wanted to make it feel like an [Ingmar] Bergman film, because weβd never seen that, especially with these kids,β says GutiΓ©rrez. One of the actors they cast in the short, Miguel Huerta, plays GutiΓ©rrezβs chaotic doppelganger in βSerious People.β
For βSerious People,β GutiΓ©rrez and Mullinkosson invoked arthouse references, such as the vignettes in the films of Swedish auteur Roy Andersson, or the surveillance feel of Jonathan Glazerβs βThe Zone of Interest.β GutiΓ©rrez makes a point of mentioning these inspirations in Q&As and interviews in hopes of igniting the curiosity of those watching βSerious People.β
βMaking [that culture] accessible has always been a goal, whether thatβs conscious or unconscious,β says GutiΓ©rrez.
It was an anxiety-induced dream that first inspired GutiΓ©rrez to write βSerious Peopleβ to satirize the entertainment industry. In the dream, GutiΓ©rrez went on Craigslist to hire a look-alike in order to balance his personal and professional commitments. As soon as he woke up, he told his dream in detail to Yuan, who suggested he turn it into a film.
GutiΓ©rrez brought Mullinkosson on board given his background in documentary, and because he thought co-directing it with Sanchez might make it too meta for comfort.
βThis industry is so competitive and so demanding that every single director has a fear that if you say no to a single project, youβre never going to get hit up again,β says Mullinkosson on Zoom from Chengdu, China, where he lives. βAt the end of the day, weβre just making movies β like, this isnβt that serious.β
Sanchez hesitated at first about the idea of being on camera, but his loyalty to GutiΓ©rrez proved stronger than the reservations. βI actually got a kick out of seeing myself on screen,β Sanchez says. βWhen you see yourself projected that big, you start to understand what you feel like to other people in the world, which was a very interesting out-of-body experience.β
βVulnerabilities are what make movies special, especially this one because Pasqual, RaΓΊl and Christine opened their real lives to being on camera, and itβs very personal,β says Mullinkosson. βWhen you can be as brave as them to share your real life, something beautiful happens.β
GutiΓ©rrez and Sanchez, who also became a father soon after our interview, are currently developing a new feature film, βGolden Boy,β which they describe as a βStand by Meβ-type of story about four Edgars. One of them thinks former boxer Oscar De La Hoya is his long-lost father. They go on a journey across California to confront De La Hoya.
βMusic is where we started, but the goal has always been to do long-form, to do features,β says GutiΓ©rrez. βAnd now with βSerious People,β one is out there.β