Amid stacks of cash and liquor bottles, Tony Montana and JoaquĂn âEl Chapoâ GuzmĂĄn sit together inside a painting. One fictional and the other real, the drug lords look nonchalant.
âThatâs us!â says filmmaker RaĂșl âRJâ Sanchez with joyful mischief when I point out the centerpiece on the main wall of their office in downtown L.A. Sanchezâs partner in artistic crime, Pasqual GutiĂ©rrez, tells me they got the frame nearby at Santee Alley.
Located on a street corner in the Fashion District, their space, which doubles as a man cave, reflects their creative influences, their ties to L.A. and their offbeat sense of humor. Before they moved in 2021, the place was a shoe store called Latino Fashion â the storefront sign remains.
Walk in and youâll find the bottom half of a mannequin flaunting male genitalia (âThat was our stunt penis from [the short film] âShut Up and Fish,ââ says Sanchez laughing). Thereâs also a bulky metal structure that resembles a torture device, a teal green couch (which they got for under $100), photography books and keepsakes on shelves that once displayed footwear. Itâs a mini museum to their history so far. Or, as Sanchez calls it, itâs âa living brain.â
Known artistically as Cliqua, the in-demand duo has already worked with some of the music industryâs biggest names. Their resume includes directing videos for Bad Bunny (âLa DifĂcilâ), the Weeknd (âSave Your Tearsâ), J Balvin (âReggaetonâ) and RosalĂa (âYo x Ti, Tu x Miâ).
This year, GutiĂ©rrez crossed over into feature filmmaking with his docufiction debut âSerious People,â a deeply personal âcringe comedyâ that he co-directed with longtime friend Ben Mullinkosson. Following its premiere at the Sundance Film Festival, the film had a theatrical release in November and is now available to stream on multiple VOD platforms.
On screen, GutiĂ©rrez and Sanchez play versions of themselves: music video directors in an industry that takes itself too seriously. While expecting his first child with partner Christine Yuan, also a filmmaker, GutiĂ©rrez found himself caught between his commitment to his partnership with Sanchez and his responsibility as a soon-to-be father. The GutiĂ©rrez in âSerious Peopleâ hires a doppelganger to replace him in his professional commitments.
âThere were some things coming our way where if both RaĂșl and I werenât available to do it, they would go away. Clients would be uninterested if it wasnât the Cliqua brand,â GutiĂ©rrez says. âThat was deeply frustrating and haunting for me because it was like, âRaĂșl isnât choosing to have a baby, but I am. And this is affecting us, because he canât do everything on his own because people arenât letting him do it.ââ
Though both GutiĂ©rrez and Sanchez fit under the generic identity umbrella of âMexican American,â each of them knowingly embodies a distinct âflavor of Mexican.â
âI definitely identify with Chicano a lot,â says GutiĂ©rrez. âI am second-generation and growing up I knew about lowriders and East L.A. barrio sâ.â Raised between East Los Angeles and Pomona, GutiĂ©rrez believes his Latino identity is unique to L.A.
Sanchez, on the other hand, is the child of immigrants from Mexico City and Jalisco. As a first-generation kid in the South Bay city of Gardena, his worldview was shaped differently.
âWeâve always had that split. You represent more what it is to be in this country for more generations, and I feel like Iâm new. The culture I associate with more is Mexican but more rancho sâ,â Sanchez explains. A vivid memory for Sanchez is his grandfather slaughtering a pig and driving around South-Central on his pickup truck selling it. âThe Chicano heritage wasnât a thing for me, it was more the immigrant experience,â he says.
âI grew up speaking more Spanglish,â says GutiĂ©rrez. âBut Spanish was RaĂșlâs first language.â
Their artistic alliance is an amalgamation of what each brings to their friendship. Sanchez got GutiĂ©rrez into Los Tigres del Norte and corridos, while GutiĂ©rrez introduced him to Lil Robâs âSummer Nightsâ and the 1993 movie âBlood In Blood Out,â which GutiĂ©rrez considers a foundational cultural artifact in his life.
âBoth of us have crossed towards the otherâs side a little more,â says Sanchez. The two met through their then-girlfriends (now their wives and mothers of their respective children) almost a decade ago. At that point they each were already directing music videos.
âWe really bonded over that shared experience of, âWhatâs it like trying to navigate this industry as a Latino?ââ adds Sanchez.
For GutiĂ©rrez, one of five siblings, his interest in filmmaking is linked to one of his older brothers who had a bit of a double life. âHe was a gang member, but he was also a low-key cinephile,â he says. âHe used to work in art house theaters, and we used to just watch weird stuff for a little kid to watch. A lot of âBlood In Blood Out,â but also stuff like âAmĂ©lie.ââ
With his fatherâs support, GutiĂ©rrez attended Chapman University to study film production.
âMy pops said, âGrowing up no one ever asked me what I wanted to do. That wasnât even an option for me,ââ GutiĂ©rrez recalls. ââAnd the fact that you got accepted to this school, weâll just find a way. Weâll take all the loans out. Go try and see how it is.â My father empowered me to follow my dreams for sure.â
Sanchez had a less linear path into filmmaking. He graduated from UC Berkeley with a degree in ancient history with the intent of going to law school. Instead, he returned to L.A. to try his hand at film, an interest that evolved from his enjoyment of video games growing up and film studies courses in college.
But how does one break into making music videos?
âIn the beginning, a lot of times youâre shooting videos for your friends,â says GutiĂ©rrez. âIf you are creative in L.A., you know other creatives and one of them is a music artist or one of them is a rapper or in a rock band. And you start that way.â
âMy sister was dating a rapper, so I was shooting his videos,â adds Sanchez.
Still, they both aspired to make feature films.
âEven when we were at the beginnings of Cliqua, the language we have always used to even talk about music videos has always been film-centric,â says Sanchez. âThose are the influences. We speak in movies.â
After meeting and hanging out for a while, GutiĂ©rrez and Sanchez were eager to work together. That opportunity came with the video for J Balvinâs âReggaeton,â which they had to sign on to do without being able to do much preparation. In the aftermath of that positive experience, they decided to create Cliqua, which originally also included music artist Milkman (MLKMN).
The name comes from the book âVarrioâ by Gusmano Cesaretti, an Italian photographer who documented East L.A. culture in the 1970s, including the Klique Car Club.
The video for J Balvin kick-started their careers. They soon found themselves a niche as reggaeton became globally popular and a new crop of artists revitalized its aesthetic. But even as they eventually crossed over to other corners of the industry and landed consistent work with the Weeknd, they were aware of the limits to their creative freedom.
âMusic videos are funny because theyâre obviously not truly our work either; weâre at the service of another artist,â explains Sanchez. âWeâre executing someone elseâs vision even if the brief is generally open. Itâs not truly us, but weâre in there.â
âMusic videos are hard, man,â adds GutiĂ©rrez. âThe difficult thing about music videos thatâs different from feature filmmaking is that itâs so fast. You get a concept, and you maybe have two days to come up with an idea and write a treatment for it. Then from there, you have a shoot date, but the shoot date can get pushed and it can get pulled depending on the artist.â
In 2023, GutiĂ©rrez and Sanchez released their first narrative short film, âShut Up and Fish,â about four âEdgarsâ (young Latino men with bowl cuts) on a boat. Their impetus was to subvert the expectations of stories involving characters from their community.
âWe wanted to make it feel like an [Ingmar] Bergman film, because weâd never seen that, especially with these kids,â says GutiĂ©rrez. One of the actors they cast in the short, Miguel Huerta, plays GutiĂ©rrezâs chaotic doppelganger in âSerious People.â
For âSerious People,â GutiĂ©rrez and Mullinkosson invoked arthouse references, such as the vignettes in the films of Swedish auteur Roy Andersson, or the surveillance feel of Jonathan Glazerâs âThe Zone of Interest.â GutiĂ©rrez makes a point of mentioning these inspirations in Q&As and interviews in hopes of igniting the curiosity of those watching âSerious People.â
âMaking [that culture] accessible has always been a goal, whether thatâs conscious or unconscious,â says GutiĂ©rrez.
It was an anxiety-induced dream that first inspired GutiĂ©rrez to write âSerious Peopleâ to satirize the entertainment industry. In the dream, GutiĂ©rrez went on Craigslist to hire a look-alike in order to balance his personal and professional commitments. As soon as he woke up, he told his dream in detail to Yuan, who suggested he turn it into a film.
Gutiérrez brought Mullinkosson on board given his background in documentary, and because he thought co-directing it with Sanchez might make it too meta for comfort.
âThis industry is so competitive and so demanding that every single director has a fear that if you say no to a single project, youâre never going to get hit up again,â says Mullinkosson on Zoom from Chengdu, China, where he lives. âAt the end of the day, weâre just making movies â like, this isnât that serious.â
Sanchez hesitated at first about the idea of being on camera, but his loyalty to GutiĂ©rrez proved stronger than the reservations. âI actually got a kick out of seeing myself on screen,â Sanchez says. âWhen you see yourself projected that big, you start to understand what you feel like to other people in the world, which was a very interesting out-of-body experience.â
âVulnerabilities are what make movies special, especially this one because Pasqual, RaĂșl and Christine opened their real lives to being on camera, and itâs very personal,â says Mullinkosson. âWhen you can be as brave as them to share your real life, something beautiful happens.â
GutiĂ©rrez and Sanchez, who also became a father soon after our interview, are currently developing a new feature film, âGolden Boy,â which they describe as a âStand by Meâ-type of story about four Edgars. One of them thinks former boxer Oscar De La Hoya is his long-lost father. They go on a journey across California to confront De La Hoya.
âMusic is where we started, but the goal has always been to do long-form, to do features,â says GutiĂ©rrez. âAnd now with âSerious People,â one is out there.â