How Daniel Dae Kim’s ‘Butterfly’ bridges Korean and American culture
โButterflyโ is actor and producer Daniel Dae Kimโs love letter to Korea and America.
Launching Wednesday, Prime Videoโs South Korea-set spy thriller follows David Jung (Kim), a former U.S. intelligence operative who comes out of hiding to reunite with his daughter Rebecca (Reina Hardesty), a deadly agent who grew up believing he was dead.
โItโs been my dream because it represents the two major parts of who I am,โ says Kim during a video call in late July. โIโm a Korean who was raised in America, and these are the two countries that I love. Why not try and bridge the two cultures? Iโm uniquely suited to do that.โ
Based on the graphic novel series created by Arash Amel, Kim describes the show as โa relationship dramaโ where โthe action and the conflicts come out of an emotional place.โ
โOne of the things that was really important to me about the conception of David is that I didnโt want him to be someone that was not without flaws,โ says Kim, who also serves as an executive producer on the series. โA lot of his actions come from a place of pain. A lot of Rebeccaโs character arc emanates from a place of pain.โ
โButterflyโ includes plenty of action โ including hand-to-hand fights and shootouts โ but itโs the central family drama, as well as how it is reflected in the action scenes, that the showโs co-creators Ken Woodruff and Steph Cha also tout. Rebeccaโs story in particular was one of the elements Woodruff immediately responded to when he first read the original comic book series.
โMy parents got divorced when I was young โฆ and my dad moved across the country and started a whole new family within a year or two,โ Woodruff says. โThere was just this really palpable connection that I felt with Rebeccaโs relationship with her father because thereโs love there, but thereโs also animosity and resentment and jealousy. That really hooked me in.โ
Daniel Dae Kim plays David Jung in โButterfly.โ
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Though the graphic novel takes place in Europe and America, Kim saw moving the story to South Korea and centering a Korean and Korean American family as an opportunity to bridge Hollywood and Korean entertainment. This meant advocating for top Korean actors to be cast โ like Park Hae-soo, Kim Ji-hoon and Kim Tae-hee โ and hiring a Korean director for a block of the episodes.
โDaniel really cared about bridging these two cultures and doing it in a very respectful way and really making sure that we got it right,โ Woodruff says. โAt times, [in] different circumstances, his feet were really held to the fire and he did not blink. Heโd really advocate for the Korean characters, making sure that those actors and their roles were as fleshed out and as interesting as every other character.โ
One of the things that stood out for Cha was just how much care Kim took to look after everyone working on the show.
โHe is always very good about making sure that people feel included and valuable,โ Cha says. โHe took it upon himself to make sure that the Korean cast felt welcome and well-integrated, and that the American cast was comfortable in Korea.โ
โHe has a lot of nunchi,โ adds Woodruff about Kimโs care for others, displaying some of the Korean language skills he picked up thanks to the Korean crew, whom the creators also credited for ensuring Korean culture was represented authentically on the show.
Kim is just grateful for the shifts in the industry and mainstream culture that made a show like โButterfly,โ which was shot in Korea and features a significant amount of Korean dialogue, possible.
โI donโt think โButterflyโ could have been made even 10 years ago,โ says Kim. โThe change in philosophy, I think, is so significant in the kinds of stories that we get to tell now. [And] if we do our jobs right, thereโll be many more just like us.โ
In a conversation edited for length and clarity, Kim discusses his new series, his approach to producing and the importance of using his platform.
โIโm a Korean who was raised in America and these are the two countries that I love. Why not try and bridge the two cultures?โ says Daniel Dae Kim.
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What was your process of discovering David? How did you come to understand him?
It wasnโt hard because Iโm a father myself. I understood how difficult it can be to raise children and how our work often gets in the way of being a good dad. Sometimes we find ourselves in situations because of our work where we have to make difficult choices about our families. David made a choice that he felt was right but it ended up being the absolute wrong choice for his daughter โ whether heโs strong enough to face the consequences of that decision is really what the first season is about. How much pain can he tolerate because of the pain he inflicted on his daughter? And, to be honest, how selfish is he that he still wants his vision of a family, even though a choice that he made destroyed it?
That seems like a different kind of father from the one you play in โAvatar: The Last Airbender.โ
Theyโre different. But for me, the core of it is the same: What does it mean to be a father guiding a young life and a young psyche? Ozai makes the choice where he needs his child to follow in his footsteps in terms of leadership and style. And if his child cannot do that, then his child fails. His priority is on the mission. I think for David, it might have been that to a lesser degree, but now heโs realized that thatโs not the choice he wants.
Can someone have a second chance at being a good dad? That, to me, is something that is very human. Itโs very universal. People say about the show, โWell, itโs shot in Korea. Itโs got an Asian lead and itโs about an Asian family. I donโt know if I can relate.โ If you have children, or youโve had parents, you can probably relate to whatโs going on in this show.
โButterflyโ captures a lot of nuance that tends to get lost in media where identities get flattened instead of conveying the different shades of experiences that encompasses being Korean, being Korean American, also while being in Korea.
Thatโs why it was important to me that Rebecca be half Asian because thatโs another part of the experience that we havenโt explored fully yet. I look forward to that part of it because Rebecca is someone whoโs not only half American, half Asian โ sheโs also someone without a mother and lost her father, or so she thought. For a lot of my childhood, being Asian American meant that I felt like I was between two worlds and a member of neither. But now Iโm in a place in my career and as an artist where I can embrace both of those things and say I actually can speak authentically to both experiences, and not many people can do that. To me, thatโs very novel in the way we approach this show. I tried to do it with the amount of respect and love that I have for both cultures.
You mention Rebecca, and that relationship is central to the show. What was it like establishing that dynamic with Reina Hardesty?
We were so lucky to find Reina in the casting process. Itโs not easy to ask someone to go to Korea for six months, start training, do a lot of heavy action and find the emotional depths that are required for this character. Itโs a very challenging role. When she came aboard all of the producers just breathed a huge sigh of relief and were so excited because we felt, to your point, that now we have a show.
Youโre often recognized as one of the people who have been paving the way for other Asian American artists in the industry.
I stand on the shoulders of a lot of people who came before, and they may not have been as successful as Iโve been fortunate enough to be, but thatโs the way this works. People blaze a trail so that other people can walk down it without getting pricked by thorns. So for me, itโs a parallel to my journey as a dad. My goal is to create a life for my children so that they do better than Iโve done. That theyโd be better people, that theyโd be more successful, theyโd be better to others. I want that for us as Asian American artists.
Even when we were struggling, there was a generation of us, like Joel de la Fuente and Will Yun Lee and Ron Yuan, who would call each other all the time when there were auditions. There were so few at the time that our philosophy was, if itโs not me, I want it to be you. Quite frankly, given the way our society is today, I think we could all use a little bit more of that feeling โ that weโre all looking out for one another a little bit more than we have in the recent past.
Rebecca (Reina Hardesty) and David (Daniel Dae Kim) are reunited in โButterfly.โ
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What has it been like to navigate these times, where the industry is contracting and people outside of it are increasingly vocal in speaking out against diversity and inclusion?
It reminds me of that quote from Martin Luther King Jr.: โThe arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.โ Or, if youโre more financially minded, youโre going to have up days and down days in the market, but what youโre looking for is the trend line. Iโm hopeful that what weโre experiencing right now is just a down day, and that we will continue to trend in the right direction.
I really am confident that a lot more people understand what it is to think about our community as inclusive and not just a way where itโs a bad word. But just to seek understanding of experiences other than your own. And that goes for everyone, not just the minority and majority politics. Thereโs so many things I learn every day from people who are not like me and I just feel like thatโs a more interesting way to live, personally.
As far as our community is concerned, weโre better off now than we have ever been in terms of representation. But that doesnโt mean that we are where we need to be. Some would say that thatโs a cop-out, this glass half full and half empty. But it is a question of perspective. For me, I choose to acknowledge and appreciate the strides that weโve made, and also understand that thereโs still a ways to go, as you can see in todayโs news, when it comes to understanding one another and showing compassion for anotherโs journey.
If you think thematically about our show, itโs really about bringing people together, bringing a family together, as a metaphor for our larger community. We can all have made mistakes. We can all have done things that we regret. But it doesnโt mean that we canโt try to rectify them and be better people.
One of the biggest movies out right now is โKPop Demon Hunters,โ on which you had a voice role, Healer Han. What goes into your decision on joining a project like this? Have you been surprised at the reception?
I always think about what the semiotics of a project are when I take it. Whatโs the representation like? Whatโs the character like? Who are the people doing it? Whatโs the story? All these things go into the matrix of how I make these decisions. And โKPop Demon Huntersโ was a project in the same spirit as โButterfly.โ It was taking a form of entertainment thatโs Korean but putting it into English to make it for Americans and the world outside of Korea. There were Korean Americans behind it, just like โButterfly.โ I saw that when they asked me to do it, and it was an easy yes.
But no one can ever tell what the impact of a project is going to be when youโre making it. I did not expect this from โKPop Demon Hunters,โ but I sure had a good time voicing the role, and that was one of the reasons I did it too. I enjoy comedy, and when I do voice roles I get to do more of it so I leaned into it and thought this was a fun character.
The 4-year-old in my life is obsessed with โKPop Demon Hunters.โ
My entire social media feed is โKPop Demon Huntersโ right now. And I gotta say, watching the Korean K-pop stars embrace โKPop Demon Huntersโ was as meaningful to me as watching non-Koreans embrace it. Because very often in Korea, Korean American stories donโt resonate, but now theyโre just starting to. Maybe โButterflyโ can be a part of that, and Koreans will take note of Korean Americans as well as Americans taking note of Korean Americans. Weโve always been that middle group, and hopefully weโll be able to shine in the spotlight.
What has it been like for you to see the explosive popularity of Korean entertainment โ like K-pop and K-dramas โ in the mainstream?
First of all, Iโm surprised, because I grew up at a time where no one even knew what being Korean was. When I was a kid, people would ask me, โAre you Chinese?โ I say no. And they say, โAre you Japanese?โ I say no. And they would say, โThen, what are you?โ There was that little awareness of Korea. When I was a kid, my friends would come to my house and they would see my mom making kimchi, and they would say, โWhat is that stink?โ But now, not only do people know what it is, but people are eating it, understanding the probiotic qualities that it has. Itโs part of our culture. It makes me swell with pride. Iโm so happy for my kids that they donโt even know what it feels like to be embarrassed because youโre Korean. Thatโs a good place to be.
โI choose to acknowledge and appreciate the strides that weโve made, and also understand that thereโs still a ways to go,โ says Daniel Dae Kim on AAPI representation in Hollywood.
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Weโve focused more on your acting work, but what does it mean for you to also take on the role of a producer in something like โButterflyโ?
As an actor, youโre only able to participate in the projects that ask for you. Weโre always auditioning or hoping that a director likes us or a producer likes us or a studio likes us. But as a producer, you become the job creator, and I love the idea of creating opportunities for people. Thatโs one of the reasons I started to produce in the first place. There was such a dearth that I thought, well, let me go upstream and figure out why there is such a shortage of roles. Well, itโs because people arenโt creating them, so why donโt I try and start creating them.
People like to think that my company [3AD] is just for Asian Americans, but itโs not. Itโs really for all those on the margins. Thatโs really the story that I want to tell as a producer. Weโve all heard the story of the high school party through the eyes of the jocks and the cheerleaders and the popular kids. But I want to hear the story of that same high school party from the people who snuck in or werenโt even invited, or the ones who are sitting at home not at the party. What are those stories, because to me, theyโre the ones that havenโt been told before.
What was it like building the team youโre working with on โButterflyโ?
Being a job creator means that you can identify not just actors that you want to work with, but also writers. Iโm very proud of the fact that so much of our writing staff was Asian American, or had some intimate knowledge of Asian culture, specifically the Korean culture. We were able to hire a crew that was 100% Korean and also we achieved very close, if not a 50-50 balance between men and women on our crew. These kinds of things matter to me. I have such a level of respect for our showrunner, Ken Woodruff, because heโs not Asian American but he highlights the fact that you donโt have to be Asian American to be a good ally and to be a good partner. Ken has been incredibly respectful of what he doesnโt know through this whole process, and has been very deferential when it comes to things like the culture of Korea and the way that being Korean affects these characters and the storylines. At the same time, heโs been really good about leading the way in everything heโs learned in his many years as a storyteller guiding the writers room. To me, itโs the epitome of a good partnership. People talk about allyship; this is allyship in action. I donโt know that Iโve ever worked with a better showrunner than Ken Woodruff, and Iโve been in this business for 30 years.
Youโve also been vocal on issues that are important to you. Why are you motivated to speak out in that way?
Because Iโm a human being and because Iโm a citizen. I think itโs always better when you have an informed citizenry. Thatโs not meant to say that only one side is right and the other is wrong. But I am a big believer in education. Iโm a big believer in asking questions and itโs something I try to do in my real life. Ask, when I see something going on in the world around me that seems unjust or objectionable, โWhy is that? How did it get that way?โ I think we all are entitled to have our opinion and the more educated it is, and the more well researched it is, the stronger that opinion can be. People say, โshut up and actโ the way that they would tell athletes, โshut up and dribble,โ but no one says to a plumber, โshut up and fix pipes.โ Everyone who has a job also is a citizen, is a human being, is affected by the policies around us every day. Part of being in a democracy means making your voice heard so that we can affect change together.
The journey of our show is how to reconcile two characters and their differences. Open dialogue, continuing to want to learn and being respectful, I think, are things that seem to be in short supply these days and it makes me a little sad. Iโm hopeful that some of the stories that I get to tell can bring us together rather than divide us.