How Daniel Dae Kim’s ‘Butterfly’ bridges Korean and American culture

How Daniel Dae Kim’s ‘Butterfly’ bridges Korean and American culture


โ€œButterflyโ€ is actor and producer Daniel Dae Kimโ€™s love letter to Korea and America.

Launching Wednesday, Prime Videoโ€™s South Korea-set spy thriller follows David Jung (Kim), a former U.S. intelligence operative who comes out of hiding to reunite with his daughter Rebecca (Reina Hardesty), a deadly agent who grew up believing he was dead.

โ€œItโ€™s been my dream because it represents the two major parts of who I am,โ€ says Kim during a video call in late July. โ€œIโ€™m a Korean who was raised in America, and these are the two countries that I love. Why not try and bridge the two cultures? Iโ€™m uniquely suited to do that.โ€

Based on the graphic novel series created by Arash Amel, Kim describes the show as โ€œa relationship dramaโ€ where โ€œthe action and the conflicts come out of an emotional place.โ€

โ€œOne of the things that was really important to me about the conception of David is that I didnโ€™t want him to be someone that was not without flaws,โ€ says Kim, who also serves as an executive producer on the series. โ€œA lot of his actions come from a place of pain. A lot of Rebeccaโ€™s character arc emanates from a place of pain.โ€

โ€œButterflyโ€ includes plenty of action โ€” including hand-to-hand fights and shootouts โ€” but itโ€™s the central family drama, as well as how it is reflected in the action scenes, that the showโ€™s co-creators Ken Woodruff and Steph Cha also tout. Rebeccaโ€™s story in particular was one of the elements Woodruff immediately responded to when he first read the original comic book series.

โ€œMy parents got divorced when I was young โ€ฆ and my dad moved across the country and started a whole new family within a year or two,โ€ Woodruff says. โ€œThere was just this really palpable connection that I felt with Rebeccaโ€™s relationship with her father because thereโ€™s love there, but thereโ€™s also animosity and resentment and jealousy. That really hooked me in.โ€

Daniel Dae Kim holds a remote while walking away from an explosion

Daniel Dae Kim plays David Jung in โ€œButterfly.โ€

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Though the graphic novel takes place in Europe and America, Kim saw moving the story to South Korea and centering a Korean and Korean American family as an opportunity to bridge Hollywood and Korean entertainment. This meant advocating for top Korean actors to be cast โ€” like Park Hae-soo, Kim Ji-hoon and Kim Tae-hee โ€” and hiring a Korean director for a block of the episodes.

โ€œDaniel really cared about bridging these two cultures and doing it in a very respectful way and really making sure that we got it right,โ€ Woodruff says. โ€œAt times, [in] different circumstances, his feet were really held to the fire and he did not blink. Heโ€™d really advocate for the Korean characters, making sure that those actors and their roles were as fleshed out and as interesting as every other character.โ€

One of the things that stood out for Cha was just how much care Kim took to look after everyone working on the show.

โ€œHe is always very good about making sure that people feel included and valuable,โ€ Cha says. โ€œHe took it upon himself to make sure that the Korean cast felt welcome and well-integrated, and that the American cast was comfortable in Korea.โ€

โ€œHe has a lot of nunchi,โ€ adds Woodruff about Kimโ€™s care for others, displaying some of the Korean language skills he picked up thanks to the Korean crew, whom the creators also credited for ensuring Korean culture was represented authentically on the show.

Kim is just grateful for the shifts in the industry and mainstream culture that made a show like โ€œButterfly,โ€ which was shot in Korea and features a significant amount of Korean dialogue, possible.

โ€œI donโ€™t think โ€˜Butterflyโ€™ could have been made even 10 years ago,โ€ says Kim. โ€œThe change in philosophy, I think, is so significant in the kinds of stories that we get to tell now. [And] if we do our jobs right, thereโ€™ll be many more just like us.โ€

In a conversation edited for length and clarity, Kim discusses his new series, his approach to producing and the importance of using his platform.

Daniel Dae Kim poses for a portrait

โ€œIโ€™m a Korean who was raised in America and these are the two countries that I love. Why not try and bridge the two cultures?โ€ says Daniel Dae Kim.

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What was your process of discovering David? How did you come to understand him?

It wasnโ€™t hard because Iโ€™m a father myself. I understood how difficult it can be to raise children and how our work often gets in the way of being a good dad. Sometimes we find ourselves in situations because of our work where we have to make difficult choices about our families. David made a choice that he felt was right but it ended up being the absolute wrong choice for his daughter โ€” whether heโ€™s strong enough to face the consequences of that decision is really what the first season is about. How much pain can he tolerate because of the pain he inflicted on his daughter? And, to be honest, how selfish is he that he still wants his vision of a family, even though a choice that he made destroyed it?

That seems like a different kind of father from the one you play in โ€œAvatar: The Last Airbender.โ€

Theyโ€™re different. But for me, the core of it is the same: What does it mean to be a father guiding a young life and a young psyche? Ozai makes the choice where he needs his child to follow in his footsteps in terms of leadership and style. And if his child cannot do that, then his child fails. His priority is on the mission. I think for David, it might have been that to a lesser degree, but now heโ€™s realized that thatโ€™s not the choice he wants.

Can someone have a second chance at being a good dad? That, to me, is something that is very human. Itโ€™s very universal. People say about the show, โ€œWell, itโ€™s shot in Korea. Itโ€™s got an Asian lead and itโ€™s about an Asian family. I donโ€™t know if I can relate.โ€ If you have children, or youโ€™ve had parents, you can probably relate to whatโ€™s going on in this show.

โ€œButterflyโ€ captures a lot of nuance that tends to get lost in media where identities get flattened instead of conveying the different shades of experiences that encompasses being Korean, being Korean American, also while being in Korea.

Thatโ€™s why it was important to me that Rebecca be half Asian because thatโ€™s another part of the experience that we havenโ€™t explored fully yet. I look forward to that part of it because Rebecca is someone whoโ€™s not only half American, half Asian โ€” sheโ€™s also someone without a mother and lost her father, or so she thought. For a lot of my childhood, being Asian American meant that I felt like I was between two worlds and a member of neither. But now Iโ€™m in a place in my career and as an artist where I can embrace both of those things and say I actually can speak authentically to both experiences, and not many people can do that. To me, thatโ€™s very novel in the way we approach this show. I tried to do it with the amount of respect and love that I have for both cultures.

You mention Rebecca, and that relationship is central to the show. What was it like establishing that dynamic with Reina Hardesty?

We were so lucky to find Reina in the casting process. Itโ€™s not easy to ask someone to go to Korea for six months, start training, do a lot of heavy action and find the emotional depths that are required for this character. Itโ€™s a very challenging role. When she came aboard all of the producers just breathed a huge sigh of relief and were so excited because we felt, to your point, that now we have a show.

Youโ€™re often recognized as one of the people who have been paving the way for other Asian American artists in the industry.

I stand on the shoulders of a lot of people who came before, and they may not have been as successful as Iโ€™ve been fortunate enough to be, but thatโ€™s the way this works. People blaze a trail so that other people can walk down it without getting pricked by thorns. So for me, itโ€™s a parallel to my journey as a dad. My goal is to create a life for my children so that they do better than Iโ€™ve done. That theyโ€™d be better people, that theyโ€™d be more successful, theyโ€™d be better to others. I want that for us as Asian American artists.

Even when we were struggling, there was a generation of us, like Joel de la Fuente and Will Yun Lee and Ron Yuan, who would call each other all the time when there were auditions. There were so few at the time that our philosophy was, if itโ€™s not me, I want it to be you. Quite frankly, given the way our society is today, I think we could all use a little bit more of that feeling โ€” that weโ€™re all looking out for one another a little bit more than we have in the recent past.

Daniel Dae Kim leads Reina Hardesty through a crowd in "Butterfly."

Rebecca (Reina Hardesty) and David (Daniel Dae Kim) are reunited in โ€œButterfly.โ€

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What has it been like to navigate these times, where the industry is contracting and people outside of it are increasingly vocal in speaking out against diversity and inclusion?

It reminds me of that quote from Martin Luther King Jr.: โ€œThe arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.โ€ Or, if youโ€™re more financially minded, youโ€™re going to have up days and down days in the market, but what youโ€™re looking for is the trend line. Iโ€™m hopeful that what weโ€™re experiencing right now is just a down day, and that we will continue to trend in the right direction.

I really am confident that a lot more people understand what it is to think about our community as inclusive and not just a way where itโ€™s a bad word. But just to seek understanding of experiences other than your own. And that goes for everyone, not just the minority and majority politics. Thereโ€™s so many things I learn every day from people who are not like me and I just feel like thatโ€™s a more interesting way to live, personally.

As far as our community is concerned, weโ€™re better off now than we have ever been in terms of representation. But that doesnโ€™t mean that we are where we need to be. Some would say that thatโ€™s a cop-out, this glass half full and half empty. But it is a question of perspective. For me, I choose to acknowledge and appreciate the strides that weโ€™ve made, and also understand that thereโ€™s still a ways to go, as you can see in todayโ€™s news, when it comes to understanding one another and showing compassion for anotherโ€™s journey.

If you think thematically about our show, itโ€™s really about bringing people together, bringing a family together, as a metaphor for our larger community. We can all have made mistakes. We can all have done things that we regret. But it doesnโ€™t mean that we canโ€™t try to rectify them and be better people.

One of the biggest movies out right now is โ€œKPop Demon Hunters,โ€ on which you had a voice role, Healer Han. What goes into your decision on joining a project like this? Have you been surprised at the reception?

I always think about what the semiotics of a project are when I take it. Whatโ€™s the representation like? Whatโ€™s the character like? Who are the people doing it? Whatโ€™s the story? All these things go into the matrix of how I make these decisions. And โ€œKPop Demon Huntersโ€ was a project in the same spirit as โ€œButterfly.โ€ It was taking a form of entertainment thatโ€™s Korean but putting it into English to make it for Americans and the world outside of Korea. There were Korean Americans behind it, just like โ€œButterfly.โ€ I saw that when they asked me to do it, and it was an easy yes.

But no one can ever tell what the impact of a project is going to be when youโ€™re making it. I did not expect this from โ€œKPop Demon Hunters,โ€ but I sure had a good time voicing the role, and that was one of the reasons I did it too. I enjoy comedy, and when I do voice roles I get to do more of it so I leaned into it and thought this was a fun character.

The 4-year-old in my life is obsessed with โ€œKPop Demon Hunters.โ€

My entire social media feed is โ€œKPop Demon Huntersโ€ right now. And I gotta say, watching the Korean K-pop stars embrace โ€œKPop Demon Huntersโ€ was as meaningful to me as watching non-Koreans embrace it. Because very often in Korea, Korean American stories donโ€™t resonate, but now theyโ€™re just starting to. Maybe โ€œButterflyโ€ can be a part of that, and Koreans will take note of Korean Americans as well as Americans taking note of Korean Americans. Weโ€™ve always been that middle group, and hopefully weโ€™ll be able to shine in the spotlight.

What has it been like for you to see the explosive popularity of Korean entertainment โ€” like K-pop and K-dramas โ€” in the mainstream?

First of all, Iโ€™m surprised, because I grew up at a time where no one even knew what being Korean was. When I was a kid, people would ask me, โ€œAre you Chinese?โ€ I say no. And they say, โ€œAre you Japanese?โ€ I say no. And they would say, โ€œThen, what are you?โ€ There was that little awareness of Korea. When I was a kid, my friends would come to my house and they would see my mom making kimchi, and they would say, โ€œWhat is that stink?โ€ But now, not only do people know what it is, but people are eating it, understanding the probiotic qualities that it has. Itโ€™s part of our culture. It makes me swell with pride. Iโ€™m so happy for my kids that they donโ€™t even know what it feels like to be embarrassed because youโ€™re Korean. Thatโ€™s a good place to be.

Daniel Dae Kim sits on the floor with a smile

โ€œI choose to acknowledge and appreciate the strides that weโ€™ve made, and also understand that thereโ€™s still a ways to go,โ€ says Daniel Dae Kim on AAPI representation in Hollywood.

(Ariana Drehsler / For The Times)

Weโ€™ve focused more on your acting work, but what does it mean for you to also take on the role of a producer in something like โ€œButterflyโ€?

As an actor, youโ€™re only able to participate in the projects that ask for you. Weโ€™re always auditioning or hoping that a director likes us or a producer likes us or a studio likes us. But as a producer, you become the job creator, and I love the idea of creating opportunities for people. Thatโ€™s one of the reasons I started to produce in the first place. There was such a dearth that I thought, well, let me go upstream and figure out why there is such a shortage of roles. Well, itโ€™s because people arenโ€™t creating them, so why donโ€™t I try and start creating them.

People like to think that my company [3AD] is just for Asian Americans, but itโ€™s not. Itโ€™s really for all those on the margins. Thatโ€™s really the story that I want to tell as a producer. Weโ€™ve all heard the story of the high school party through the eyes of the jocks and the cheerleaders and the popular kids. But I want to hear the story of that same high school party from the people who snuck in or werenโ€™t even invited, or the ones who are sitting at home not at the party. What are those stories, because to me, theyโ€™re the ones that havenโ€™t been told before.

What was it like building the team youโ€™re working with on โ€œButterflyโ€?

Being a job creator means that you can identify not just actors that you want to work with, but also writers. Iโ€™m very proud of the fact that so much of our writing staff was Asian American, or had some intimate knowledge of Asian culture, specifically the Korean culture. We were able to hire a crew that was 100% Korean and also we achieved very close, if not a 50-50 balance between men and women on our crew. These kinds of things matter to me. I have such a level of respect for our showrunner, Ken Woodruff, because heโ€™s not Asian American but he highlights the fact that you donโ€™t have to be Asian American to be a good ally and to be a good partner. Ken has been incredibly respectful of what he doesnโ€™t know through this whole process, and has been very deferential when it comes to things like the culture of Korea and the way that being Korean affects these characters and the storylines. At the same time, heโ€™s been really good about leading the way in everything heโ€™s learned in his many years as a storyteller guiding the writers room. To me, itโ€™s the epitome of a good partnership. People talk about allyship; this is allyship in action. I donโ€™t know that Iโ€™ve ever worked with a better showrunner than Ken Woodruff, and Iโ€™ve been in this business for 30 years.

Youโ€™ve also been vocal on issues that are important to you. Why are you motivated to speak out in that way?

Because Iโ€™m a human being and because Iโ€™m a citizen. I think itโ€™s always better when you have an informed citizenry. Thatโ€™s not meant to say that only one side is right and the other is wrong. But I am a big believer in education. Iโ€™m a big believer in asking questions and itโ€™s something I try to do in my real life. Ask, when I see something going on in the world around me that seems unjust or objectionable, โ€œWhy is that? How did it get that way?โ€ I think we all are entitled to have our opinion and the more educated it is, and the more well researched it is, the stronger that opinion can be. People say, โ€œshut up and actโ€ the way that they would tell athletes, โ€œshut up and dribble,โ€ but no one says to a plumber, โ€œshut up and fix pipes.โ€ Everyone who has a job also is a citizen, is a human being, is affected by the policies around us every day. Part of being in a democracy means making your voice heard so that we can affect change together.

The journey of our show is how to reconcile two characters and their differences. Open dialogue, continuing to want to learn and being respectful, I think, are things that seem to be in short supply these days and it makes me a little sad. Iโ€™m hopeful that some of the stories that I get to tell can bring us together rather than divide us.

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